The Pilotcast

Hangar flying with Pilot Dan, Pilot Kent, and Pilot Mike.

Pilot Kent is calling in from Whiteland, Indiana.

Hangar flying:
  • Aviation fuel is $4.30 in Connecticut and $4.78 in the San Francisco Bay Area
  • Pilot Kent got his Instrument Rating
    • It was much more difficult than getting the Private License
    • Required two checkrides after descending too far on an approach
    • Instrument currency requires 6 approaches and 1 hold within 6 months
    • Pilots should have their own personal currency requirements that are better than the minimums
    • Got his ticket "wet" just a few days ago by returning from an impromptu fly-in under instrument conditions
    • During his training, he found it both disconcerting and cool when flying an approach in actual IMC and not seeing the runway until descending through 100 feet
  • Pilot Mike had real scare
    • On his first flight after his planes annual, he had trouble maintaining lateral control while in the pattern
    • Managed to get some control and got it back down on the ground in one piece
    • Looks like it was just the rudder trim cranked too far over
    • In a previous incident, he had a door pop open in flight
  • Pilot Dan's club bought a 1966 Piper Cherokee 140
    • He finds it difficult to get used to the mechanical flap lever
    • Also finds the overhead trim adjustment interesting
    • Agrees with Kent that it's easier than a Cessna to control on the ground
    • The sink rate is higher than a Cessna
    • It has vortex generators on the wings to allow a higher AoA before stalling
  • An update on Connecticut Senate Bill SB520
    • The plan was to remove the 6000 lb limit from the sales and usage tax
    • Had unanimous consent from Transportation and Finance Committees
    • The bill is sent off to be written up
    • It ended up being written to place the sales and usage tax on all planes, instead of none
    • Still haven't gotten a straight answer as to what happened and if it will be fixed
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Direct download: Pilotcast_030_2006.04.24.mp3
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"The Podfather" "Pilot Adam" Curry has posted another great flying adventure on the Daily Source Code #370

Join "Pilot Adam" as he flies the local area around Fairoaks Airport near Guildford, UK.

From The N277DS, in and around Guildford, UK A very different type of soundseeing tour of the Guildford area on a short local flight (edited for your listening pleasure). We also find out how very important those pre-take-off checks are!

Adam said that he's gotten some complaints about the show being boring, but it's GREAT for us pilots.

Here are some of Adam's pictures on the engine rebuild and new interior on Adam's Cessna 182RG, N277DS.

Download the DSC #370 .mp3 directly here

Caution: Audio contains Explicit language.

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Returning guest "A&P Tom" joins the Hangar Flying with Pilot Dan, Pilot Kent, and Pilot Mike to talk about purchasing an aircraft

Some feedback and followups:
  • For all you Connecticut pilots:
    • The Presidential TFR is cancelled, but it didn't matter because it was snowing, anyway
    • Tower controller at Hartford-Brainard Airport has been "refusing the option," to practicing pilots
    • Senate Bill SB520 has made it out of the Finance Committee with a unanimous recommendation, and will probably pass the Legislature with a few modifications. The target date to take effect is July 1st.
  • Pilot Dan and his Club bought a plane, but the sale will be completed before SB520 goes into effect so they will probably lose out on the tax advantages
    • An AOPA Lobbyist is looking into the remote possibility that the bill will be retroactive
  • Pilot Mike's plane is due for its annual
    • It's up to you, as owner, to remember when scheduled maintenance is due
Talking with A&P Tom:
  • Tom's rates:
    • $50/hour flat rate
    • $350 for an annual inspection
    • It may be worth a trip to Washington State for rates like those
  • A short bio:
    • Currently, an aircraft mechanic
    • A Navy veteran
    • Was an aircraft mechanic in the Navy, and still does work for them
  • Aircraft mechanics liability insurance can be expensive
  • Some airports will not allow uninsured mechanics to work on planes
  • What should a pre-purchase inspection include?
    • Talk to the potential buyer and see what homework they've already done
    • Is the seller also the owner, or just an agent for the owner?
    • Verify that AD's have, or have not, been complied with
    • General mechanical checks, including avionics
  • The internet makes it fairly simple to determine fair market value of an aircraft
  • Time since last overhaul is not as important as the engines current condition
  • Lycoming engines that are run regularly should not have an issue with corrosion
  • Engine displacement upgrades are probably not worth doing until an overhaul
  • Use of auto fuel should be determined on a model by model basis
  • Auto fuel is cheaper than aviation fuel, but has it's own unique set of problems
  • A potential buyer is suing a mechanic who recommended he not buy the plane
    • Aircraft is an Aviat Husky, in Michigan
    • The mechanic found a slew of problems during the pre-purchase inspection and told the buyer it just wasn't worth it
    • The buyer worked out a deal, that he thought was fair, even though the plane had some problems and purchased it
    • Gets a ferry permit and during a flight over Montana, he loses oil pressure and lands at a small airport
    • On inspection, the oil sump and strainers are covered in metal shavings
    • Ends up purchasing a new engine, but it doesn't fit the old mounts
    • They find the airframe is so warped, the new mounts won't fit
    • They called Tom and he recommends jacking the frame until the mounts fit so he can make the flight home
    • Finally get it back together and finds out his ferry permit has expired
    • The mechanic is unwilling to renew the ferry permit because he considers the plane not airworthy
    • They decide to do an annual and finds the wings need rebuilding while checking AD compliance
    • The new owner says the original mechanic did not give full disclosure and so is suing
    • The plane is still in Montana waiting for new wings
  • Potential buyers need to do their homework and thoroughly research the plane!
  • Check with type clubs on particular models and N numbers
  • Check potential replacement cost for accessories, like mufflers and ducting
  • Some of the performance muffler claims seem to good to be true
  • The sellers reputation is very important
  • Know the costs of maintenance and repairs before you have them done
  • Potential buyers should search Landings for A&P mechanics in your area
  • Most A&P mechanics don't want to work with clubs because of liability issues
  • Don't let the romance of flying blind you to potential problems
  • Clubs should make sure any potential purchase will fit all it's members
  • Prop balancing as part of an annual, can be very important
  • Dynamic prop balancing is done on the plane, but static balancing is not
  • Cherokee mufflers tend to be fragile
  • If your cabin heat is dependent on the exhaust system, you should use a CO monitor
  • Stupid pilot trick
    • Pilot Dan was in a club plane on the ramp
    • A parked twin started it's run-up, blasting Dan
    • Good thing Tom wasn't there!
    • The plane was actually lifted against it's tie-downs, logbooks went flying, and the plane was pelted with rocks
    • The FBO was not willing to give Dan the twins tail number
    • Stay tuned...
  • Incident at Camarillo Airport
    • Home airport of Angelina Jolie
    • A Lear Jet taxied too close to the hangers
    • Tried to power himself around, rather then call for a tug
    • The thrust hit a tied down 172, breaking the wing
  • We have met the Enemy and he is us
    • A twin Bonanza, that was purchased in Canada, has been parking at Tom's airport for about 4 years
    • The aircraft still has a Canadian registration number, but...
    • a check with Canada shows the plane as exported, meaning it should no longer have a Canadian number
    • The Seattle FSDO somehow became interested in the plane and asked Tom if he knew anything about it
    • The FSDO invited the Transport Canada Airworthiness Inspector to look at the airplane, and...
    • a cursory check found 21 major airworthiness discrepancies
    • A registered letter is sent to the registered owner's Canadian address, the man's wife, who is a Canadian citizen
    • The letter comes back undeliverable
    • Their US address is tracked down and another registered letter is sent to the local Sheriff to be hand delivered
    • The letter was signed for but there was no response to the request for log books
    • Transport Canada levied 5 penalty fines, rescinded the airworthiness certificate of the aircraft, and placed a cease and desist sticker on the airplane door
    • A second registered letter was delivered to the owner, informing them of the cease and desist operations order
    • The next day the plane was gone
    • Tom and 3 other witnesses were called to British Columbia to testify on what they knew about the plane
    • The owners didn't show up for the tribunal so a lien was placed on the plane
    • Unfortunately, since the plane is in the US, the Canadian judgement is unenforceable
    • And, because no one actually saw the owner fly it after it was stickered, the FAA is powerless
  • If you have any questions for Tom, send us an email
  • Thanks, again to A&P Tom
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Direct download: Pilotcast-029-2006.04.05.mp3
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